Silvia Club of NSW

You mean V8's are for people that have to rely on cubes for power ala caveman performance style.. instead of modern technology
No need to really think about money here, if you do your research you will find that it is a hell of a lot cheaper to keep a V8 Commodore on the road in parts, insurance etc than an import turbo 4.....
AND I think you will also find that the 4bangas that ppl laugh at are more likely to be the riced up excels than a 180 or silvia
I dont know about you guys, but even when my car was bog stock it still hosed aspirated 5L's all over the road :D

No need to get your knickers in a knot, I'm just stating some facts

The ol' girls completely stock, unmodified and condition is maybe slightly below mint. Ive left it stock for a reason, they hold their value better and its more of a collectors car than a cruiser, about the last major work done on it was an auto trans service 3000km ago, same with the engine, its all still stock 2v heads. Mind you, theyre two of the biggest fucking valves per cylinder you'll see!
People do ugly things to Landaus, Ive seen some really terrible things like bonnet scoops (do it yerself backyard with rivet gun...) and fugly looking paintjobs that would make anyone cry.
For this reason Im sort of hesitant to sell her to just anyone, kinda old fashioned about these things
(the colour is in the picture link I posted earlier- cream with brown roof)
http://www.geocities.com/muhkies/L1.html

As for 'street cred' Im of two minds about the whole thing, not ever bothered with street drags or any of that but there are cars that turn heads and there are cars that are a box on wheels. To me having credibility means an equal amount of performance work and profile on the road. Sleepers have credibility too, but anyone with enough money can make anything go fast so its not the same as having a 'cruiser', personal taste I like a bit of both. Nothing over the top in the way of performance but a bit of an edge that will cut down posers at the lights and be fun when I thrash it, its got to look good though, if I didnt want a good looking car then I'd own some peice of shit Camry, 121, civic or WRX that looks like a bucket of busted aresholes! Some of those cars actually go ok, but fuck theyre ugly!

So at the end of the day Im not ashamed of either of my cars, the silvia is perfect for what I bought it for, which is a fast, small, uneconomical good looking sprinter. Its reliable, 'different' enough looking to be cool and just so much fucking fun to throw through corners.
The Landau is fun in its own ugly way too, sure its slower than his little sister but the simple fact is that I have had a car trailer with a 1600kg car on it, plowing up the great dividing range and the car just dosnt give a fuck at 125km/h, overtaking 3 other shitboxes at a throw! Horsies and revs are fun but so is tree-stump dragging torque! Same with the old XF ex-police panelvan I used to own, it spent many an afternoon dragging a series 1 Escort out of ditches when we stacked it difting through forest roads

Theres a certain amount of flexibility you can do with a V8 that you cant do with a 4cylinder turbo, same goes the other way with the smaller cars. They are easy to look after, park and chuck around on the road... about my only gripe with them is that they are fucking hard to fix yourself if something electrical pops on them.

Please, kids. For the love of god dont put stickers on your car advertising stuff that probably isnt in the car
It looks like shit

Hey XY you gronk you KNOW my car will wipe its arse on your RICED up Falcon 500, coz if u take it to the Creek ur diff will snap barrrhaaaa. Oh yeah i get street cred, and the car whoops most of the 8's i seen on the roads so suck me sideways cockboy.

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Oh yeah i can afford to run a V8 i just want a car that will actually handle not a body rollin rustbox. Oh yeah dont you only drive the XY on weekends anyway you hipocrit, drivin the Festiva and Charade every other day???? I prefer my turbo 4, and you can laugh while you watch my tailights and realise u aren't up to scratch.
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HAHAHA. man, dif yourself a BIGGER hole. I use 4cl cars for what they were intended for: cheap economical conservative transport, with no plans of ever trying to make a 'performance' car out of them. What would be the point? It'd just be one big parody.

Mate, when i get my 3000 stall, and 3.7:1 9", you will be chasing my arse all the way down the 1/4, which makes me feel kindof sorry for you cos my arse doesn't look all that good 8P... It's basically the 4cl story in a nutshell: Playing Catchup.

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OH yeah, one other thing... Nissan is killing off the Silvia at the end of the year, and Ford will be re-introducing a GT next year. Is the Silvia going the way of the dinosaur and being replaced by lightweight, efficient, powerful efi v8's? looks like the manufacturers have finally worked out that performance car enthusiats worldwide prefer the grunt of a v8 and know that a 4cl turbo is really just a compromise.

How can you argue against a modern lightweight quad cam efi N/A motor putting out over 300kW?

It's all OK for you when you compare 90's turbo cars to 60's v8's, but compare them to today's v8's and it's a whole different story.

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Thats NOT what I heard... I heard that the 200sx name is being scrapped and they are using the name Silvia straight out from now on, so I would assume that means that a S16 might be on its way in the next couple of years

See Drive in the Sydney Morning Herald last saturday... could be bullshit but it says that the Silvia is being killed outright, apparently because of difficulty meeting tough new Japanese emmissions laws.

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How can you argue against a modern lightweight quad cam efi N/A motor putting out over 300kW?

With my lighter 4cyl turbo which last time i checked would whoop these archaic pieces of crap which weigh too much. Fact remains i have braggin rights atm coz i can kick ur fat arse 6 ways from Sunday. Ha.

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Well actually if you think about it 4cyl still makes more power then even new V8s. You measure the power of a car, by KW to the ltr. example my 1992 Pulsar NA SSS makes about 138kw at the flywheel. or about 69kw per litre. a 300Kw dunnydore makes 52kw per litre. Not bad considering my SR20 NA has less work / development done to it then a 300kw dunnydore.

Torque you say. Well I have about 205 - 215nm torque estimated. That about 105 nm torque per litre. Now 300kw dunnydore has about 475nm torque give or take a few nm. thats about 85nm torque per litre.

do the sums on a Integra Type R or S2000 or new SR20 VVL and see what the margin is again. Much bigger in the 4cyl favour. Heck even the new 6.2l 425kw Lamborghini (Murcielago) with highly strung V12 makes 67kw per litre.(this is as high tech an engine can get with multi valve, cam timing etc) Once again numbers favour the 4cyl crowd and I haven't even mentioned turbo yet.

They also rev harder, and have a larger rev band in some cases. NOT all. Also (and here come the arguments), but of recent the 4cyl have a better reputation for strength and reliability over V8. Actaully Motor magazine even mentioned this in an article about 2 years ago when doing some road tests which had turbo and V8's. Apparently 2 of the large number of V8 had problems (1 major being a tickford V8)while none of the 4 turbo powered cars suffered any problems (and it was even hot).

Hey Dan good points never thought from that angle but now i am - Rotaries will produce a lot more torque and kw per litre coz they use stuff all space, but thats another issue altogether. Anyway it still whoops the 8's.

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BLUBYU- drag cars don't turn corners so that argumentis not really applicable. i dont think any silvia's will be taking on a ferrari 360 modena with it's 298kw 3.6ltr v8.
CMY180- the only people that don't have caveman power are pedestrians and people on horseback. All other forms of land transport use an oil product in one way or another. The only difference between fours and eights in power terms is the durability issue. both fours and eights can be made to make big numbers but the real difference is how often the can make those numbers before componentry must be replaced.
this is also an argument that applies to the rotaries. the wankel engine would be the dominant engine in our time if the early models of mazda(cosmo,r100, rx2 etc) and also a european company called NSU with their ro80 weren't so chronically unreliable as to have been rebuilt after only 2000 miles or so. Due to this fact the wankel engine gained a stigma that haunts it to this day. The reliability problems for this engine were only sorted with the series 4 rx7. most companies will not undertake rotary research as there is only a limited market that will buy these products.

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Yeah would have to agree with XR about some of the above. 9 second GTR's are trailer sailors but a lot of the 10 second cars will handle etc.

Technology brings durability so it doesn't matter what engine u use. Anyway another 2 cents from me.

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Once you bring out the kW/L argument, you really have hit the bottom of the barrel... that's like a guy with a small dick claiming to be able to give more pleasure per inch of cock.
kW per litre oesnt mtter.
kW and Nm are what matters, and I'll be damned if ANY 4cl engine has a broader usable power band than ANY V8... you can't bend the laws of physics.

I don't see Silvias taking off smoothly and quickly and then hitting 170kph in the same gear.

what about power / weight?

Personally I find it a lot more fun going around corners than going fast in a straight line... Smaller, lighter cars with high revving responsive engines and MANUAL transmissions are also a lot more involving to drive, especially when you want to do it legally..
You can't go fast in a straight line for very long anywhere without risking losing your license, but there are plenty of roads with corners that are pretty entertaining even at the speed limit (not the advisory signs

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