Silvia Club of NSW

Why drive when you can drift?
It is currently Sun Apr 28, 2024 2:21 am

All times are UTC + 10 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 37 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:19 pm 
Offline
SilviaNSW Supporter
SilviaNSW Supporter
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 06, 2003 2:54 pm
Posts: 704
Location: Sydney, Australia
Car: Blue S15 + Vertex Kit
Scathing wrote:
Payam0001 wrote:
Hey, why is an auto nicknamed a slushbox? I'm a newbie at all this trashtalk.


I'm personally get quite a bit of entertainment from flaming losers with no clue. If you get bored, just set a spam filter on his ass.

There's a couple of reasons why people call autos slushboxes. The technical reason would be because of the torque converter, which is a fluid coupling between the engine and the 'box itself (where a solid clutch would be in a manual car).


Thanks mate! I have a lot of reading to do. I'm always earger to learn more..i won't be the 'loser without a clue' forever.

Thanks for the url.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:22 pm 
Offline
Banned
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 12, 2002 11:00 am
Posts: 5993
Location: 2166Reppin'
Car: S13 Silvia S-tune
modifying the stall converter or some $hit.

Alot of drag cars use modified auto box's with great success, due to strength and consistancy (spell) on the strip

_________________
Image
You know who we be, N.A love for the S one three
S R twenty DE yo, will f**k on vtec like i f**k them hoes


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:29 pm 
Offline
SilviaNSW Supporter
SilviaNSW Supporter
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 10, 2003 8:59 am
Posts: 1797
Car: Tree Fiddy
Nismodified wrote:
modifying the stall converter or some $hit.


Yeah, I was going to suggest something similar. Crank up the stall converter, and maybe drop a drag 'box in there. The problem with drag boxes is that they're not very streetable, given that most of them only have three gears.

Given that, I'm surprised that Dodge didn't use that in the advertising campaign for their PoS Neon, since their slusho only had 3 gears too. They could advertise it as a "drag racing inspired automatic transmission" or something. :)

_________________
Tips for being fooli sik:

Go chrome or go home
Sneezin's Pleasin'
Da flutta is bred and butta
NOS is boss
Try to be different, just like everyone else
No boost? Ya just loost


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:29 pm 
Offline
SilviaNSW Supporter
SilviaNSW Supporter
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 06, 2003 2:54 pm
Posts: 704
Location: Sydney, Australia
Car: Blue S15 + Vertex Kit
Nismodified wrote:
modifying the stall converter or some $hit.

Alot of drag cars use modified auto box's with great success, due to strength and consistancy (spell) on the strip


Thanks, i'll have to look into that. I hope that won't cause any probz with my insurance.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:31 pm 
Offline
SilviaNSW Supporter
SilviaNSW Supporter
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 06, 2003 2:54 pm
Posts: 704
Location: Sydney, Australia
Car: Blue S15 + Vertex Kit
Scathing wrote:
Nismodified wrote:
modifying the stall converter or some $hit.


Yeah, I was going to suggest something similar. Crank up the stall converter, and maybe drop a drag 'box in there. The problem with drag boxes is that they're not very streetable, given that most of them only have three gears.

Given that, I'm surprised that Dodge didn't use that in the advertising campaign for their PoS Neon, since their slusho only had 3 gears too. They could advertise it as a "drag racing inspired automatic transmission" or something. :)


Hi,

Well the standard auto in my car has 'power' mode which will keep it always in the 1st 3 gears..is this inferior?

Payam


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 3:02 pm 
Offline
Moderator
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 08, 2003 11:21 pm
Posts: 5731
Location: Sydney
Car: WGNC34,S14,AE86
you're wasting your time playing with the auto. it'll always be inferior to the manual version of the car as autos waste power through internal slippage,and inefficient gear 'ratios'.

two cars with identical engine work,one auto,one manual,the manual will get more at the wheels,and will be able to make better use of it.

autos are only good for extreme drag racing(say,under 9 seconds) and for being lazy in traffic.

you can trick up the ecu programming so it shifts harder and holds ratios longer or fit a stall converter,but at the end of the day,it's a losing battle.

I strongly suggest you drive the car as it is,and when you get serious about going fast,to sell it for a manual version.


Justin...

_________________
STI - Made in Texas,not Japan.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 5:24 pm 
Offline
Banned
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 12, 2002 11:00 am
Posts: 5993
Location: 2166Reppin'
Car: S13 Silvia S-tune
fergo308 wrote:
you can trick up the ecu programming so it shifts harder and holds ratios longer...


the power button mode will hold the gears longer without shifting.

I dont know why it is even there as if you stomp the accelerator, my power mode will come on automatically regardless.

_________________
Image
You know who we be, N.A love for the S one three
S R twenty DE yo, will f**k on vtec like i f**k them hoes


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:15 pm 
Offline
T03

Joined: Fri Nov 08, 2002 12:46 am
Posts: 119
Car: Yellow S15
drag racing is all about power and consistency.

fergo 308 i don't know what drag cars you have been in or driven, but i think anything that runs a low 12 sec pass or under would benefit from an auto box. a well set up auto will also help you off the line with stall convertor and trans brake. any power lost through the auto can be made up off the line with a well set up auto box.

i prefer a manual box but i can also see where an auto would more then have it's merits.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:16 pm 
Offline
T66 Hybrid
User avatar

Joined: Mon May 19, 2003 11:33 pm
Posts: 471
Location: 56th Dimension
Car: Subaru Vortex XT Turbo
Nismodified wrote:
fergo308 wrote:
you can trick up the ecu programming so it shifts harder and holds ratios longer...


the power button mode will hold the gears longer without shifting.

I dont know why it is even there as if you stomp the accelerator, my power mode will come on automatically regardless.


it makes you feel special!

_________________
"If you can stand to look at that car all the time and not throw up then maybe you should buy it"

-- DumHed


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:16 pm 
Offline
SilviaNSW Supporter
SilviaNSW Supporter
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 06, 2003 2:54 pm
Posts: 704
Location: Sydney, Australia
Car: Blue S15 + Vertex Kit
Nismodified wrote:
fergo308 wrote:
you can trick up the ecu programming so it shifts harder and holds ratios longer...


the power button mode will hold the gears longer without shifting.

I dont know why it is even there as if you stomp the accelerator, my power mode will come on automatically regardless.


Hi,
This is True. Mine does this also.

Payam


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:20 pm 
Offline
SilviaNSW Supporter
SilviaNSW Supporter
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 06, 2003 2:54 pm
Posts: 704
Location: Sydney, Australia
Car: Blue S15 + Vertex Kit
fergo308 wrote:
you're wasting your time playing with the auto. it'll always be inferior to the manual version of the car as autos waste power through internal slippage,and inefficient gear 'ratios'.

two cars with identical engine work,one auto,one manual,the manual will get more at the wheels,and will be able to make better use of it.

autos are only good for extreme drag racing(say,under 9 seconds) and for being lazy in traffic.

you can trick up the ecu programming so it shifts harder and holds ratios longer or fit a stall converter,but at the end of the day,it's a losing battle.

I strongly suggest you drive the car as it is,and when you get serious about going fast,to sell it for a manual version.


Justin...


Thanks Justin,
The AUTO has it's advantages in traffic and peak hour (which is when i drive most of the time)...so i don't think i could stand going back to Manual the way my life is at the moment. If i could afford it i would buy a lil car in Auto and swap my S15 for a Manual version as my 'nigh rider' or weekend drifter...but as it is i'm still very happy with it.

But like most guys with an S15, you can always be happier.
hehe..


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:22 pm 
Offline
SilviaNSW Supporter
SilviaNSW Supporter
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 06, 2003 2:54 pm
Posts: 704
Location: Sydney, Australia
Car: Blue S15 + Vertex Kit
xspsi wrote:
drag racing is all about power and consistency.

fergo 308 i don't know what drag cars you have been in or driven, but i think anything that runs a low 12 sec pass or under would benefit from an auto box. a well set up auto will also help you off the line with stall convertor and trans brake. any power lost through the auto can be made up off the line with a well set up auto box.

i prefer a manual box but i can also see where an auto would more then have it's merits.


Any tips on how to make the S15 auto a 'well set up auto box'?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:30 pm 
Offline
T03

Joined: Fri Nov 08, 2002 12:46 am
Posts: 119
Car: Yellow S15
I've been in a couple of LS1 commodores that run low 11's with autos. I think it's actually a lot more fun in these cars then the manuals for stright line stuff.

These cars are making a fair bit of grunt and run on slicks at the strip, getting 1.5sec 60ft times so they have a lot more torque then our cars and one of two of them have had their gearboxes rebuilt. Apart from that the only other mod they have is a 4800rpm stall convertor.

I imagine if you wanted a drag racing weapon in a turbo car, you'd want to get a transbrake. I'd go stall convertor and nitrous as another option for something that would take off very hard off the line.

As for the S15 gearbox, I'm no expert on them as there still aren't many quick S15's around. If you want to have a look at what i think is a easy 9 sec car in the build, have a look at www.200sex.com.au as you can see it'll be using a specially built auto box.

Remember a stall convertor will rob you of a little more power on top of the auto so it might not be the best option on a stock turboed car.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:52 pm 
Offline
Quad T88
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 04, 2002 11:00 am
Posts: 4248
Location: 2770 Aight!!
Car: My Feet
How would you drive somehting with a stally in the wet?? I always wanted to know this.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:56 pm 
Offline
Takumi
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 01, 2002 11:00 am
Posts: 4779
Location: building!
Car: Silvia
it'll still go, just very sluggishly up till the stall point.

Personally I don't see why people build drag cars out of Silvias...
Actually I don't see why people build drag cars at all cos I find it very boring :)

_________________
The Engine Whisperer - fixer of things


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 37 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

All times are UTC + 10 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 85 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group