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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:58 pm 
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Hello,

Firstly before I get started, I know close to nothing about car audio. Now heres my question: Is it possible to get a decent sounding system with nothing but a headunit and two front speakers?

My car is mostly stripped out so I dont want to bother with a proper sound system. It had 3 way kenwood 6.5" speakers in the rear, 6" 2 ways in the front all running off a Pioneer DEH-P5450 head unit-- now it just has the two front speakers. While it sounds ok for such cheap speakers, It now requires to be turned up to like volume 25 on the deck to be the same as what it was with the rear speakers turned on to say, 15. It also crackles at a relatively low level.

Is it possible to get something louder at the front? I dont listen to my music very loud, but now it just seems quiet. Would a set of splits at the front help or are they just designed for clarity in larger systems?

Thanks in advance.


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go for focal speakers with tweeters - cant go past focal for clarity and overall quality.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:23 am 
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I say amp it. from my experience even a cheap amp, such as the Avalanche brand ones sold by strathfields, give much more clean power than the headunit could even hope to do. :) just my input.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:43 pm 
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Gunmetal is no really asking about getting better clarity but rather a louder and more meaty sound im guessing.

6" mid woofers, or trying cramming in 6x9's at the front?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:51 pm 
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Well I want it louder and clear at the same time. Not heaps louder like I said, but something that wont crackle and distort before my prefered listening volume, which is happening now.

Thanks everyone for their help so far. Where is Fhrx when you need him. :wink:


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:17 am 
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Nismodified wrote:
Gunmetal is no really asking about getting better clarity but rather a louder and more meaty sound im guessing.


amping will result in more clarity, louder, and "meatyer" sound that the headunit would ever give.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 1:24 pm 
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The reason your turning it up so loud and not getting the clarity and volume you want out of what you have atm, is mostly due to your door and little rattling things absorbing the sound.
The best option would be to deaden and solidify the door as best you can, which can be tricky when trying to conserve weight at the same time.
I found that using some thin ply wood cut to cover the holes behind the trims and held with some gaffer tape did the trick. Further yet if you can deaden at least the area immediately behind the speakers would help heaps too.
Try this before you go fork out for some splits and amp. It may be all you need.

DeLuxe.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:40 pm 
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get a small 2 channel responce amp
cheap and effective


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:55 pm 
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mokompri wrote:
get a small 2 channel responce amp
cheap and effective


I hate the ReSponse amps... even for the money they really aren't worth it.

maybe its just that I have a 2 channel Sansui amp that I got for free, this is better made, and seems to be higher power than the ReSponse amps. Either way, the 2 channel, blue ReSponse amps have insufficient heatsinking, filter caps, and are just cheap and nasty in my opinion.

anyone wanna buy a near new, barely used 2X84 watt ReSponse amp? in original box, with manual, etc, one screw missing from the back but you can't see it when its mounted. $110.... I'm in Adelaide..

wait, I just dissed the amp and called in crap, and now I expect someone to BUY one from ME?!? lol


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:36 pm 
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mmm wierd, never heard of any overheating problems with them..

there not the best, but from the description of what he wants i think it would suit the application
they have always gotten fairly good reviews as well, and ive seen one of these small blue ones in use and it worked fine


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:39 pm 
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from my experience, a cheap, 2 X 30 watt Avalanche amp ran a pair of 6.5inch Alpine coaxials better than a ReSponse 2 X 84 watt amp.... I didn't believe it at first either, I was used to hearing them off the ReSponse amp, and then my friend swapped back to the Avalache, and the difference was very noticable. The speakers used to distort fairly easily with the ReSponse, and we always just contributed it to too much power, buy the Avalanche went louder, and cleaner.

also, I've run subs off the ReSponse amp that its supposid 200+watts should have killed, but the amp was clipping, and the speaker was still bumping along nicely.

I'd never buy a blue ReSponse amp again, the black 2 X 150watts, I'd definatly look into for great bang for buck.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:09 pm 
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i say buy RESPONSE 6.5", theyre relaly good, bang for ur buck, go jaycar electronics, theyd tell u whats the best

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 2:02 pm 
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fwost wrote:
i say buy RESPONSE 6.5", theyre relaly good, bang for ur buck, go jaycar electronics, theyd tell u whats the best


they tend to lack bass when mounted free air... if you're willing to make ported, tuned speaker pods for your doors, then go for it...


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